Can Alzheimer’s Really Be Reversed?

Alzheimer’s has always scared me a little.

You start noticing small things in yourself or someone you love, and it’s hard not to wonder, “Is this the beginning?”

That’s where this conversation with Dr. Joshua Helman started. With fear, honest questions, and the hope that maybe there is more to this story than families are usually told.

In Part 1, Tina Rains, RN, and Melinda Lee Foster talk with Dr. Josh about Alzheimer’s, dementia, root causes, and his T.I.M.E. framework: toxins, inflammation, microbes, and energy. They also talk about why caregivers need to pay attention to their own health too.

Part 2 continues next week.

About Dr. Josh:
Dr. Joshua Helman, MD is a Harvard-trained physician, board certified in emergency medicine and lifestyle medicine. He holds degrees in biochemistry from Harvard and the University of Cambridge, and earned his medical degree from Harvard Medical School and MIT.

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This conversation is for educational purposes only and is not medical advice. Please talk with a qualified healthcare provider before making medical decisions.

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Why Alzheimer’s feels so scary

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Well we don't cry and still try to hold enough for one with coffee courage in time.

SPEAKER_04 0:09

Alzheimer's has been kind of a scary topic for me. And I think people that you get to a certain age, you see yourself doing certain things, and you start to question is this the beginning of Alzheimer's? I know we're going to get into much more depth as far as, but I think it's conversationally a place that might resonate with a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Totally. Yeah. I mean, it's a natural human response to be fearful and to push against something that is associated with pain. But the good news now is with many of the advances in Alzheimer's and other dementias, there are actually things that you can do about it to prevent and even reverse, as opposed to, you know, 30 or 40 years ago, it was just, oh, we can't even make the diagnosis while you're alive, is what I was taught in.

SPEAKER_04 0:59

Yeah. They have to like study that brain afterwards.

SPEAKER_05 1:03

It is fascinating because when I'm dealing with families, and I'm even in a lot of groups for dementia care, for caregivers, and there's just so much fear, but there's also just so much lack of hope.

Families are looking for hope

SPEAKER_05 1:16

And so I actually posted because I knew you were coming on, I posted in a group chat and said, and there's 20,000 people, I think, in this chat. And um and said, can you have any of you actually seen Alzheimer's reverse? And if so, what you know, what level were you um in your Alzheimer's? And I was fascinated with all the answers. There was a lot of hopelessness, but there were some people that had done their research who were working like with doctors like yourself who are saying there's so much more to this. And um it people used to think it was purely genetics and it was this. And so I would love for you to tell us a little bit more about like what are those things that caregivers should know about Alzheimer's and how you know there's many more factors than just genetics.

It’s not just genetics

SPEAKER_00 2:13

100%. So I think the first thing to realize is it's complicated. So in any one case of Alzheimer's, you're looking at between 30 and 200 root causes. For those who are don't know medical terminology, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_04 2:28

I wasn't I wasn't catching like root what?

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Root causes. So you you mentioned genetics. Genetics could be one thing making you more likely or less likely to get Alzheimer's, but

The T.I.M.E. framework

SPEAKER_00 2:39

there are other things like uh I I the the acronym I read the abbreviation I use is TIME, T-I-M-E. So T stands for toxins, things like mold toxins, PCBs, pesticides, forever chemicals. We could we could spend hours just talking about toxins. I is for inflammation. It turns out that inflammation of the brain is associated with Alzheimer's, and I think it's one of the most important root causes. Uh, but so that I is the inflammation, M is microbes. Uh as an example would be if you have poor teeth, poor gums, it's not very far for those microbes to travel from the mouth into the brain. And then finally, E is energy. Right. E is energy. And uh we we see people who are diabetic are more likely to get Alzheimer's. Some people will call it type 3 diabetes, uh, but there are other energetic issues that could increase your risk for Alzheimer's. So that's an example of four different categories, and in each of those, another category would be head trauma. So I find people with frequent head trauma are more likely to get Alzheimer's. And for each of the categories I just mentioned, you can have more than one. You can have more than one infection, you can have more than one toxin, you can have the more the more factors, the more letters you have, the worse the possibility is, the greater the possibility is. Totally. But but the flip side is if if you run into someone saying, you know, I've got the cure for Alzheimer's, or it's only this one thing, it's probably not going to work out very well. I wish it would. I wish it was a simple condition to fix, but often there are many different things to take care of, and you have to do it in the right order. And then the other twist to all this is because most people their brains have lots of reserves. Often, for many decades, even 30 years, the on the underlying process destroying the brain with Alzheimer's can be going on unless and until you actually notice this. So you you could have had damage going on for 20 years, but it's only after you've destroyed, say, half of your brain cells in a certain part of your brain that you actually start having difficulty with memory or following directions or interacting with people.

SPEAKER_05 5:18

Well, it's interesting because as I've done my research, right? And you talk about the microbes in your mouth, you know, people for so many years say, okay, take out your amalgams. I remember years ago, my dentist took them all out, put porcelain in. That's a huge deal. And some people just really ignored it. Oh no, no, it's not necessary. Um, but now when I brush my teeth, if my gums bleed, I'm like, oh, I gotta make sure I don't have gingivitis, you know, because you don't think about those things unless you're thinking from the perspective of what does that really mean and what are some things that it could cause. Because even as a nurse, I probably didn't pay attention to that. And I think if people start paying attention to some of those things that many of us had no idea and had that attitude of, well, you gotta die from something, you know, I'm gonna eat whatever I want and do all those things, but we didn't really pay attention what the ramifications would be now, you know. And I mean, there's days I go, oh my gosh, what was the name of that? Yesterday I was trying to think about how to peel something. And I said, you know, like when you take the the thing, and I literally could not think the word peel. And I was like, oh my gosh, I can't wait to talk to Dr. Jock. I'm gonna follow everything he says step by step by step.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Because this whole field is complicated, and you know, many of the viewers have their own questions and concerns. Um, you know, just I would say ask your specific questions. You may have other people out there who have the same concern.

SPEAKER_05 6:47

Perfect. And if you are listening to this, feel free to jot it

Starting with toxins

SPEAKER_05 6:51

down below. And if we don't have answers, we'll we'll get Dr. Josh to answer them for us. So um let's start with the T, with the toxins. Everyone talks about toxin. Like, if you were giving us a handful of like, here's some first place to start, what would people look for to eliminate toxins out of their lives?

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Right. And and this is tough because we live in a toxic world. The the levels of toxins are going up and up. And when I talk about toxins, I'm talking about things like heavy metals, which I mean it's great that they got lead out of the gasoline and the paint. Um, but unfortunately, we still have heavy metals. Um mercury, you mentioned fillings. Many of us still have mercury fillings in our teeth, um arsenic. So so so there are there's this is a toxic role plastics. The amount of plastics in our environment is doubling every 14 years, and we find that the most dangerous plastics are these microplastics that can travel through the bloodstream throughout the body. So um, but what makes this confusing is uh normally we're not just exposed to one type of toxin. And sure, we got we have an amazing detoxification system that we're born with. Our our liver uh normally does well, but it's exposed these days to so many more toxins than our ancestors were uh decades ago um or even centuries ago. One example I'll give you is mold. So um mold will will produce a fatty mold toxin called trichothesine or a black mold toxin, which once it gets into fatty tissue like your brain or fat elsewhere, normally it can stay for 10, 20, 30 years or longer.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

A lot of people that have been exposed to molds and they say it is it is devious, it's just hard to get to. It's just got this gets up hold of you, and you're you're you're gone. I mean, so do you strengthen the liver or do you have to eliminate? I mean, how can you shed toxins out of your system? First of all, how do you identify them? Because there might be different reasons, different ways to flush, you know. So, how do you identify that you've got a heavy metal in your body, and then how do you flush it through?

SPEAKER_00 9:18

Right. So the exciting thing is we actually have tests now. We have urine tests and blood tests. We can actually look at heavy metals, we can look at plastics, PCBs, forever toxins. We can look at it, it's just it's not considered standard testing.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

Uh you have to ask for it special.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

You have to ask for it. Normally it would be an integrative or functional physician who'd be actually willing to do those tests. And unfortunately, sometimes it can take a whole month to get the results.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

So a little frustrating, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

So so so, yes, I'm I I would find a physician like myself who's actually willing to look at these toxins. But the the flip side is you can actually look for the first thing you can do is you can look at your liver's health, you can do blood tests to measure do you have elevated liver enzymes? Hopefully you don't. But if you do, there's specific things you can do uh to to help with that. So so yeah, so toxins would be the first thing to look

Why Dr. Josh starts with glutathione

SPEAKER_00 10:21

at. And let's say you're concerned about it. What I tell people is there's a really small peptide, a three amino acid peptide called glutathione, that I I find helpful to do first and continue because glutathione is your body's master detoxifier as an antioxidant. There's a tiny amount in food, but normally my patients will supplement with glutathione. And I feel soaked so uh I think this is so important. I created a website called glutathionefirst.com because I've I've seen I I've been in this field for about 10 years, and I've seen dramatic improvement in patients who have toxins when I start glutathione, whether it's an oral spray or intravenous or topical on the skin. Uh and yeah, and it's basically spreading the word.

SPEAKER_05 11:18

Wow. I love that. Well, and you know, it's interesting because when you talk about glutathione, um, I had researched a few years ago and realized how important it was and started using some patches with it. And I did feel a lot better, and I got laxidasal and I quit using them. And it's and I realized what a difference it made. So as you you and I had that conversation a few days ago, I was like, yeah, it's time to number one. I'm making an appointment with Dr. Josh, but number two, I'm gonna go get some glutathione.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

Um, we there were patches. Have you seen the glutathione patches? That's transdermal. I mean, that that should work. That should be yep.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

So let's be so let's be clear that there are many different patches out there. There are patches that will transfer glutathione through the skin. There are also patches that will mimic the frequency of glutathione. I think there's a place for both. Um but um but yeah, there are many ways to deliver glutathione. I'll I'll share with you though, my concern is I'm not a big fan of capsules that have glutathione, even if they're lipophilic, because as an example, if someone has black mold exposure, the black mold may embed in their gut, preventing absorption of pills or anything you're asking your gut to do. So that's why I like absorption through the skin, a spray in the mouth that can be absorbed in the mouth or intravenously. Because I literally I've had patients suffering for 10 years with mold toxicity, and you know, I say, Well, have you tried glutathione? Oh, yeah, I tried glutathione, it didn't work. Well, what form? Oh, it was it was these lipophilic capsules, and then literally within like the first spray of in in their mouth and the first IV, they're like, Wow, like why why didn't anyone tell me this?

SPEAKER_04 13:12

They didn't know, they didn't know. You know, I think that a lot of our doctors are so narrow in their thinking that they're not, you know, like open to all these different alternatives that are are so so so helpful. So I'm getting my patches out, Tina.

SPEAKER_05 13:29

Actually, um, IV now. Does does glutathione come in the sub Q form? Can you inject it just as an injectable, or is it just IV or I I mean, I know some people who inject it.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

I'm not a fan of injections just because they're they're painful. I have some patients who swear by rectal suppositories of glutathione. I'm not opposed to it. I just to me, the easiest is spraying the mouth, get it on the skin. And if you need something more invasive, higher doses intravenously. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

Good to know. That's good to know. So we'll have a website, right, Tina? So people can go because I want to learn more about that. And you have options to tell people about the options that are available.

unknown 14:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

So it's not just like, oh, here's the product I'm trying to sell. You're actually telling about options.

unknown 14:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:19

Yeah. Yeah. And we all have all your links down below this podcast so people can check you out and check out all the information on the toxins itself. Like, is there anything specifically that somebody could do in relationship to like what's a step today that I could do to help remove toxins from my life? Like a basic piece of advice would I think each, you know, would be good just to kind of help them think of where where do I even start this process.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yeah. So so two steps you could take today. One would be to exercise or jump in a sauna, sweat, sweating, exercising will move toxins into the sweat and then out of your body. So that's number one. Number two, I find that many of my patients are getting toxins from their drinking water. So making sure you have filtered water, my favorite is either reverse osmosis or distilled. So those will be two steps you could take today to you know get out there, exercise, sweat, and then make sure the water that you're drinking doesn't have added toxins that will affect you.

SPEAKER_05 15:32

Speaking of toxins and water, so one of the questions someone asks frequently, what about bottled water? Is we're saying plastics aren't good, or putting a water in a plastic bottle isn't that toxic?

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Right. So I am not a fan of bottled water in plastic. So that's true, but wherever I am, it's it's compared to what, right? So so you you need water to survive. Um, I would much rather have a ceramic or stainless steel container or or a glass to drink water out of. But I get it. If you're traveling and the only waters available is in a plastic uh bottle, then yeah, sometimes that's what I'll drink. But in terms of I so I don't want people to get super stressed and but and get overwhelmed by it. But again, when you have a choice, glass, stainless steel, much better for you than plastic, because you're exactly right, especially if the the plastic bottle is heated up. And you know, here we're we're here in in Florida where you know the the bottle, the plastic bottle you get may have in store in storage or may have in transit been at a very high temperature, and then you get microplastics in the water. So yeah, try to stay away from plastics if you can.

Inflammation, food, and the brain

SPEAKER_05 16:55

Perfect. So let's talk a little bit about inflammation and how does that affect those with Alzheimer's or cause Alzheimer's?

SPEAKER_00 17:05

Yeah, so inflammation, meaning that your immune system is revved up too much, is one of the hallmarks that we see with Alzheimer's, with amyloid formation, etc. What's interesting is that inflammation in other parts of the body can affect the brain. So, for example, you might have an inflamed gut because uh you've got um an infection there or uh toxins there. You you may also have inf inflammation from, let's say you've got a knee that you've got arthritis of the knee that's inflamed. Well, guess what? Because your immune system is revved up in your gut and your knee, those same white blood cells will travel elsewhere in your body, including the brain. And so what I find is I I'm looking for inflammation throughout the body if I'm trying to minimize the amount of inflammation in the brain. And what I find fascinating is that inflammation in the brain is like it's like a rheostat, it's like uh um you could the setting, the more inflamed your brain is, the more likely you're getting you are to get not just Alzheimer's, but to get anxiety, depression. So if I can get you on a low inflammatory diet, take things out of the diet that cause inflammation in your gut and elsewhere. Often I can turn down anxiety and other inflammation in the brain.

SPEAKER_04 18:36

Okay. I'm ready for the I'm ready for the low anxiety diet right now.

SPEAKER_05 18:45

I've been doing all this research and I'm like, okay, we're getting rid of all the we're getting rid of all of it. Not to mention we've gained weight, but I'm like, we are so inflamed right now.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Wow. So so the two steps I would say that the two food types that lead to inflammation, the worst culprits I see, one of them is dairy. So milk, cheese, um, have what's what's going on behind the scenes is when you have milk and dairy, even yogurt, you're you get white blood cells actually pus from whether it's a cow or a goat, wherever this milk is from, and then you ingest it, and then your body's immune system says, wait, this is a white blood cell, but it's not my white blood cell. This is a a foreign invader's white blood cell. I'm going to mount uh an attack on it. And and so what will happen is if you cut milk, dairy, cheese out of your diet, normally within certainly a week, but even a few days, people notice, well, my sinuses are clear, I'm not feeling as inflamed. But people are saying, look, I I can't, I need milk, I need I need cheese. The good news is that there are actually substitutes now. There are there are plant-based substitutes that don't have the inflammatory white blood cells from from the animals products that you would be drinking. So that's class number one, milk, dairy, and cheese. The other one is gluten. So so specifically um uh wheat, there are a lot of grain, there are a lot of grains that don't have gluten, but gluten also tends to cause inflammation, even if you don't have an the genetics, the HLA, DQ genetics that that are associated with immune reactions to gluten. Even those people can have some immune response to gluten. So, what I would say is try cutting gluten out of your diet and then see, you know, for a week, see if you notice a difference in anxiety and and and how you feel.

Why caregivers need to care for themselves too

SPEAKER_05 20:51

Wonderful. Well, and you think about caregivers, right? Caregivers are so stressed already. So we're, you know, a lot of caregivers are listening to this. How do I take care of mom and dad or loved one? But the reality is the caregivers need to be paying attention to all of this for themselves, because caregivers tend to be the ones that take the worst care of themselves because they're so busy taking care of everybody. And so I think it's a good reminder is we're trying to help our parents or loved ones that we're doing the same for ourselves because before you know it, we'll be there, you know, too if we're not careful.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

I find that that's so true, especially one of the things that can push people into disease states is is stress. So, and but I know being a caregiver is not easy, but you're exactly right. If you don't look after your own care, if your health turns bad, you're not gonna be able to take care of anyone else.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

Absolutely. I mean, and so many times, Tina, isn't this true that that people they're they're here doing everything for mom, whatever, and then they're so exhausted that the thought of doing something for themselves, it just doesn't all so they're making bad choices, they're grabbing that.

SPEAKER_05 22:00

piece of candy or gluten like cracker like because it's fast and it's easy and I I just don't have the time to even think about preparing of fruits and vegetables or a fresh cooked absolutely or something because you're just exhausted just exhausted yeah yeah definitely and when you're thinking about you know you're doing all this carry all of a sudden I think like you said number one is the trying to grab something fast like you have thinking ahead it's like anything right if you don't plan you plan to fail it's to take to never have our lives unfortunately including diet and I I'm guilty of it I caught myself yesterday sticking something in my mouth that was like pure sugar. I'm like okay that's pure inflammation what are you doing you know and like no yeah right it's interesting is we had a sick dog today and the last couple days and I had to boil some chicken and rice just plain rice and that's what settles them settles them down.

SPEAKER_04 22:58

And I noticed I was in that kind of like I got to grab something fast kind of mood and I had boiled chicken there. It didn't have any extra fats or spices or anything like that. And it tasted so good and it's pure protein and but Tina like you said if if I I wouldn't have planned that I just happened to have it because of puppy. But when you're cooking for puppy or when you're cooking for the family like put an extra chicken breast or two in the oven when you're cooking and have it as backup. Pull it out of the freezer. So like you're saying you plan to have success because you're making these choices in advance for yourself. It's like thinking it through someday I'm gonna be really hungry and I want to reach for this you know rather than something that's angry more.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Right. And what's what's tough is the society we live in there's advertising out there trying to get you to do things that you that are not in your best interest in terms of health.

SPEAKER_05 23:51

Absolutely yeah everybody has some crazy solution I was listening to this guy today that was talking about his weight gain and how you know it was just he kept stopping at these fast food doing this just because it's fast, it's easy and you know you think about even the person who right now is taking care of their young children. So they're not thinking about Alzheimer's they're not thinking about you know this stage of life and they're stopping at McDonald's every day and all these different places because it's fast or going to another soccer game and all and not only are they eating so poorly but their kids like I'm watching some of my family do that and I'm like it's like they live at these fast food restaurants and it's just horrific. So yeah we could go on and on about that.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Right. But but what what one last thing on on fast food is what's missing from the fast food at McDonald's are are fruits vegetables fruits and vegetables which have amazing phytonutrients that decrease inflammation in the brain and elsewhere. So it's it's not just avoiding it's also gravitating towards more fruits and vegetables. Absolutely so let's talk a little bit about the microbes sure so I I mentioned and these are all interconnected right because yeah yeah definitely when your body is fighting a microbe that's going it's gonna fight it with your in immune system and that will cause inflammation so what what I mentioned earlier is your mouth the health of your mouth and and gums and teeth specifically if you have inflamed gums if you the the studies have actually identified certain uh bacteria that are gram negative that's technical curve what what what's important an example would be P. gingivalis we found the same bacteria in inflamed gums as we have in amyloid plaque in the brains of patients with Alzheimer's and other chronic diseases so what what I well when when I I spoke to a group of dentists I said look in terms of working on the health of your patient's teeth you're actually preventing Alzheimer's and I said like what you you don't you may not realize it but uh but uh but it's amazing how everything is connected so so oral health that's one area that I see of infection another one is and this is this may sound odd I'm seeing large numbers of parasites Lyme disease other infections in my patients with Alzheimer's and I I think it's it's much more common than people realize now testing for parasites can be difficult testing for Lyme disease can be difficult and it but it's not just those two there are there are viruses that can can get into the brain whether it's CMV HSV um so normally it's not just one infection that's attacking a br the brain it's a whole slew and what really concerns me is there's not a lot of research being done on the role of infection in Alzheimer's and humans and and others you know and and that's just talking to researchers in the field there's not a lot of funding available to study it's it's interesting well if you think about it who's funding a lot of the research you know um so it's that's a whole nother subject

Energy, sleep, and exercise

SPEAKER_00 27:31

we'll leave that one alone okay so let's talk a little bit about energy energy in relationship so so energy uh the it turns out the brain is extremely it needs a lot of energy so if for some reason you're let's say you're diabetic and the the mechanism in the cells to produce energy isn't working let's say you're not getting enough sleep if you let's say you have sleep apnea or another condition preventing enough sleep you're normally not going to wake up with much energy. And and speaking of which the number one risk factor I see for developing Alzheimer's studying hundreds of patients is not enough deep sleep deep N3 sleep when your when your brain can clear out the amyloid and consolidate memories so so what's what's one way around this to get enough energy it turns out going back to what I recommended earlier exercise if you exercise on a regular basis you're training the energy producer parts of your cells what we call the mitochondria we're training your mitochondria to produce more energy more efficiently so some of my patients don't want to hear this but I recommend people exercise every single day there you go a little something just a little something does it need to be that's what I want to know 10 minutes a half hour I'm serious that's a serious question so so so but it's gonna it's gonna vary per it it first of all it depends where you are if if you're someone listening or watching this and you actually get zero exercise today no please don't go from zero to an hour or two hours I don't want you to overwhelm your body so if you're at zero start with 10 minutes if you're at 10 minutes double it you know if you're at 30 minutes you know get an hour now um if you're at an hour sure you know there there is some benefit to go from one hour to two hours but you can overdo it too I mean if you're lit if you're literally exercising four hours a day that's probably a little bit too much.

SPEAKER_05 29:50

So then you're dealing with the cortisol issues right because you're overstressing your body. Yes so one of the things that's fascinating to me is as you know you've shared about reversing Alzheimer's what have you seen working with this time framework have you seen people who are in the later stages of Alzheimer's actually being able to

Can Alzheimer’s really be reversed?

SPEAKER_05 30:14

come back or are we just seeing in the first couple of stages that if you implement all this framework and work to get the toxic all these things that need to transpire um and I think it's very individualized but can they can have you seen patients from like really you know people who are not cognitive at all and not able to function actually completely be reversed or is that not are we not there yet?

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Actually I have seen that I have seen really more moderate to severe Alzheimer's being able to reverse but it takes a lot more time because not only are you trying to fix the underlying problems but then when you've done that then you actually have to regenerate the brain so it's it's a lot easier to prevent or from the early stage than the later stages. And to go through that process from the more severe types it takes much more investment in terms of time energy money and and some people are willing to do it but some people are not um so and in terms of the the modalities we're using we're not just using the techniques I we've spoken about so far which I group as lifestyle changing what you're eating getting enough sleep exercising we're using some cutting edge technologies to filter the blood something called TPE to filter the blood we're using there's an FDA approved drug for compassionate use that decreases inflammation in the brain no one's heard of it there there aren't many investigators like myself using it but it's basically an antibody against an inflammatory protein called golectin 3. And then there are other techniques including hyperbaric oxygen and peptides so and the key is doing things in the right order and the key and and you want to actually do you want to remove the toxins first which is why I said glutathione first because if for example you try to kill the microbes you say oh wow I've got parasites I've been eating sushi you know raw fish and I've got parasites I'm gonna get my parasite kill herbal preparation which may well kill the parasites the problem is within parasites there can be heavy metals and other toxins if you try to release that all at once you can actually get worse and I and I learned doing this uh almost 10 years ago if you have a patient that gets worse they're gonna blame you they're gonna blame the doctor so so I I you go low you go slow and you're careful uh in the approach but that's that's the biggest message here is that there is hope. This isn't like 30 years ago where where there's nothing to do so why even test no there is hope but you you want to do testing to figure out which underlying causes to um to focus on and then monitor and see how you're doing with uh with removing toxins or whatever it is that you're trying to optimize.

SPEAKER_05 33:21

Oh my gosh it's like I'm not scared about Alzheimer's anymore and this was such a great conversation um I agree I enjoyed it so much so I'm excited for our listeners to be able to hear part two next week because Dr. Josh is such a wealth of knowledge.

SPEAKER_02 33:40

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